Ramsey Clark Poses as Milosevic's Lawyer and Smears the Client on TV
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Ramsey Clark Poses as Milosevic's Lawyer and then Smears the "Client" on Nationwide U.S. Television

by Jared Israel and Nico Varkevisser

[Posted 17 May 2003]

Since this article was published we have written three more pieces dealing with Clark:

* "More on how Ramsey Clark Attacked Milosevic at
the National Press Club
," at http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/ramsey2.htm

* "Ramsey Clark's IAC Accuses us of Slander, but they get the facts wrong...," which can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/ramsey/ramsey3.htm

* And, "How Ramsey Clark Labored to Protect Nazi Émigrés," which can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/ramsey/ramsey4.htm


Since Slobodan Milosevic was kidnapped from Yugoslavia and taken to The Hague Tribunal two years ago, there has been a media campaign using lawyers who make public statements in which a) these lawyers falsely claim to represent Milosevic, b) these lawyers compare or otherwise link Milosevic in the public mind to the most monstrous criminals and then c) these lawyers argue that even such criminals deserve a defense, thus cementing the media-created, false impression that Milosevic is, indeed, one of the war criminals.

In the following report we will examine the case of Ramsey Clark. (This is the first of a three-part series on Mr. Clark.)


Exhibit A

Transcript of the exchange between International Action Center (IAC) founder Ramsey Clark and Tammy Lydel, president of the National Press Club in Washington D.C.

This exchange was broadcast live across the United States on C-SPAN television, May 12, 2003. (To view the video of the Lydel-Clark exchange, go to footnote [1] )

[Excerpt from transcript of Lydel-Clark exchange starts here]

Tammy Lydel: Salon Magazine called you "the war criminal's best friend." Why have you represented the war criminals like Milosevic?

Ramsey Clark: Why would I?

Tammy Lydel: m-hmmm.

Ramsey Clark: Well the real reason is I'm a lawyer - and therefore never far from sin, as Kafka observed. I would take any capital case in the world because I have always opposed the death penalty passionately and always will, and - um - if you listed all the people that have been demonized that I've - um - represented - um - you'd have a hard time thinking of any others. One thing I do is - if - if no one represents someone I would insist on their being represented that's how I got into Sheik Abdel Rahman's case. He had no lawyer. I couldn't stand the idea that a - um Islamic scholar with a Ph.D. from Al-Azhar University in Cairo, who spoke no English, had no legal background, would go to trial without a lawyer...

Ramsey Clark: But - um - it's a form of guilt by association to, to ask the question, "Why would you represent such a bad person?" Are they human beings? Do they need help? Is that your calling? You can't do it all, but you do what you can.

[Excerpt from transcript of Lydel-Clark exchange ends here]

Regarding the claim that Ramsey Clark is Slobodan Milosevic's lawyer, we present Exhibit B.

Exhibit B

On November 20, 2001 United Nations Foundation Website reprints news report that Slobodan Milosevic rejected Ramsey Clark as attorney and legal advisor [2]

[Report that Milosevic rejected Clark as either his lawyer or advisor starts here]

Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has rebuffed an International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia effort to assign him two attorneys who he can meet with confidentially as manipulation by the system, defense attorney Dragoslav Ognjanovic of Belgrade said yesterday. Milosevic has previously refused to appoint a defense team because he does not recognize the tribunal's authority.

"Milosevic 's stand is that this is a new manipulation by the court," Ognjanovic said. "The court has never asked Milosevic if he wants these two people to be appointed as his advisers."


The tribunal named former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark and British lawyer John Livingston as the advisers, but Ognjanovic says the ICTY move restricts the number of other people who would be able to hold meetings with Milosevic without being monitored. (Reuters/ABCNews.com, Nov. 19).

[Report that Milosevic rejected Clark as either his lawyer or advisor ends here]


On Monday, 12 May 2003, Mr. Ramsey Clark appeared at a luncheon of the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. At that luncheon, National Press Club president Tammy Lydel asked Ramsey Clark why he represented war criminals like Slobodan Milosevic. His answer was televised on the C-Span cable network and viewed in the US nationwide, perhaps by hundreds of thousands or even millions of people.

Many of us who have worked to refute the lies about Yugoslavia have restrained ourselves regarding Ramsey Clark's behavior. But this latest episode, in which Mr. Clark lied and attacked Slobodan Milosevic and, by extension, the Serbian people, cries out for public comment.

What is remarkable about the exchange between Ms. Lydel and Ramsey Clark?

The first notable thing is that, of all the questions Ms. Lydel could have asked Ramsey Clark, she led off by asking why he represented Yugoslav President Milosevic. Why would she make that her main question? Indeed, why would she ask that question at all, now? Clark hasn't publicly done a thing about the Milosevic case since he visited Mr. Milosevic in August of 2001 - 21 months ago! If Lydel wanted to attack Clark, as Clark suggested in their exchange, why didn't she start by asking him about supporting Saddam Hussein or the Islamist terrorists? Why did she ask why he is representing Milosevic?

The second question is, why did Mr. Clark answer with a lie?

Lydel said:

"Salon Magazine called you 'the war criminal's best friend.' Why have you represented the war criminals like Milosevic?"

And Clark answered:

"Well the real reason is I'm a lawyer -..."

But Clark's explanation, that he is representing Milosevic *because Clark is a lawyer,* is a lie. Because *Ramsey Clark is not representing Slobodan Milosevic*! (See Exhibit B)

*Why* did Ramsey Clark lie? Why didn't he just say, "I am not representing Slobodan Milosevic"?

And why, once he chose to pretend he was Milosevic's lawyer, didn't he do what lawyers do - which is to defend their client in public?

Why didn't he refute the false accusation that Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic is a war criminal?

Why didn't he say, "Has Milosevic been convicted before a legitimate court? Are you the judge and jury? Why don't you try reading the Hague Tribunal transcripts and you will see that Milosevic has exposed all their charges as lies, has proven that the Tribunal's sponsors - the U.S., Germany, France, England, Saudi Arabia and NATO - supported terrorism against Yugoslavia? It is precisely because President Milosevic so thoroughly exposed their lies about him - and the Serbian people - that all the big TV networks have stopped broadcasting the Hague proceedings!" [3]

Why didn't Clark say that Milosevic stood up to the KLA terrorists who attacked Serbia with NATO support? Why, having falsely posed as Milosevic's lawyer, did he accept without comment Lydel's characterization of Milosevic as a war criminal? Why did he say that even war criminals are human and that he, Ramsey Clark, is a lawyer and "you can't do it all, but you do what you can"?

If a doctor is asked why he would give you medical care even though you are a thief, and he replies that even a thief should be given medical care and he, the doctor, is a caring person, *he is agreeing that you are a thief.*

In the Untied States, when lawyers are asked by reporters if their client is guilty, they always say he is innocent.

If a lawyer fails to insist on his client's innocence, everyone knows that not only is the client guilty, but he or she is so guilty that not even their own lawyer has the nerve to deny it!

So by first affirming the lie that he represents Milosevic and then accepting the lie that Milosevic is a war criminal, Clark was strengthening the *false* impression among the public that Milosevic is a monster. A viewer would think, "Even his own attorney admits he is a 'bad person' and a war criminal. I mean, like Clark said, everyone deserves a lawyer, but I am sure glad I don't have to represent him!"

Moreover, Clark didn't just go along with Lydel's charge that Milosevic is a war criminal. He built on it.

He said, "One thing I do is - if - if no one represents someone I would insist on their being represented... "

That implies that Milosevic was desperate for a lawyer. But in fact:

a) Clark of course knows that Milosevic has *refused to hire any attorney to represent him before the Hague Tribunal* because he does not recognize it as a legitimate court and

b) Half the lawyers in the world would give their right arm for a chance to represent Milosevic and

c) As proven in Exhibit B, Milosevic made a specific point of publicly rejecting the appointment by The Hague Tribunal of Ramsey Clark as his attorney or, even, his legal advisor.


Never too many lies...


Having told so many lies, Clark went further. He placed Milosevic in the same class as Sheik Abdel Rahman, the blind Islamic fundamentalist convicted for trying to blow up the World Trade Center. (And what a grotesque comparison. Milosevic led the Yugoslav resistance to the Kosovo Liberation Army, linked to Al Qaeda, which terrorized Yugoslav loyalists - whether of Serb, Roma, or Albanian ethnicity - in Kosovo.) And to top it off, Clark accused Tammy Lydel of smearing him - Clark! - through guilt by association, because she had asked about his "representing" Milosevic.


Tribunal gives Clark the red carpet while persecuting Attorney Steijnen, who *actually* represents Milosevic in the Dutch and European courts


Exhibit C

Hague Tribunal spokesperson Jim Landale reports that in July 2001 the Tribunal gave Ramsey Clark special access to Milosevic, hoping Clark would convince the Yugoslav President to drop his strategy of speaking for himself in court, which was proving to be a disaster for the Tribunal. [4]

[Excerpt from AP dispatch begins here]

Associated Press Worldstream July 31, 2001; Tuesday Headline: Former U.S. attorney general visits Milosevic in U.N. detention unit, plans further consultations Dateline: The Hague, Netherlands

Ramsey Clark, a noted human rights activist and former U.S. attorney general, visited former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic Tuesday at the U.N. war crimes detention unit, and was granted confidentiality normally accorded to legal counsel, officials said.

''We hope that the legal advise will result in him (Milosevic) formally giving power of attorney to someone,'' tribunal spokesman Jim Landale said. Clark also was at the seaside prison on Monday and planned to go again on Wednesday.

Previous visits by other lawyers and even by his wife, who saw him for three days earlier this month, had been monitored.

But judges of the U.N. tribunal for the former Yugoslavia granted Clark confidentiality privileges, even though he has not been appointed Milosevic 's lawyer.

''An exception was made. He is entitled to consult with lawyers and it was felt that that could take place in a private environment,'' Landale said. ''It is a temporary arrangement.''

Milosevic appeared before the court alone at his initial appearance a month ago. He refused to recognize its jurisdiction, to appoint an attorney or to plead guilty or innocent. The court entered a [not-]guilty plea on his behalf.

[Excerpt from AP dispatch ends here]

So, in July 2001 the Tribunal made a special exception for Ramsey Clark, affording him rights denied even to Milosevic's wife. (Exhibit C)

Then in November 2001, the Tribunal appointed Clark as Milosevic's lawyer - despite Milosevic's opposition, thus forcing Mr. Milosevic to publicly reject this appointment. (Exhibit B)

And now, in May 2003, Clark pretends that he is representing Milosevic and smears him before a nationwide US Television audience.

By way of contrast, Nico Steijnen who has *actually* been appointed by Milosevic to represent him before the Dutch and European Courts, has been banned by the Tribunal from meeting with Milosevic, a violation of international humanitarian law. Also, the Tribunal has brought charges against Steijnen before the Dutch Bar, trying to get him disbarred.

A real lawyer for Milosevic is banned and threatened with disbarment. The fake lawyer goes on public TV, pretending to represent Milosevic and smearing him.

We know that Ramsey Clark does not represent Slobodan Milosevic. But clearly he has a professional interest in this case.

So who is his client? Could it be The Hague Tribunal? Meaning, NATO?

-- Jared Israel and Nico Varkevisser

Coming soon, the next article in this series, "Ramsey Clark Publicly Smears the Bosnian Serbs."

Then, third, "Ramsey Clark: Once an Intelligence Operative always an Intelligence Operative?"

-- Jared Israel and Nico Varkevisser
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Footnotes and Further Reading


[1] The video of the Lydel-Clark exchange can be viewed at http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/odrive/iraq051203_clark.rm
Go to the 47:40 mark.

[2] http://www.unfoundation.org/unwire/2001/11/20/current.asp#21934

[3] Regarding our charge that NATO controls the Tribunal, we site as evidence the statement made by NATO spokesperson Jamie Shea at a press conference during the bombing Yugoslavia in 1999. To read that statement, please go to 'Official Statements Prove Hague 'Tribunal' Belongs to NATO,' by Jared Israel http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/h-list.htm

[4] For 10 years people were fed the image of an imaginary Milosevic, a monster who, we were told, incited imaginary Serbs to genocide. The media even invented a whole imaginary speech, to replace his famous, actual speech, advocating ethnic tolerance, delivered in Kosovo in June 28, 1989. (For a collection of lies about this speech, from media sources great and small, contrasted to actual quotes from the speech, with links to the entire speech, go to

The point is, from the moment Slobodan Milosevic started defending himself in court, his reasonable manner, his brilliance and his sincerity were evident to millions of people watching the court appearances on TV. In an effort to silence President Milosevic, Richard May, who runs the proceedings, frequently shut off his microphone.

So by representing himself, Milosevic was in one fell swoop refuting the lies that have been pumped out for a decade about the Serbian people, and utterly contradicting the fictional Milosevic created by the media. Moreover, he was a beacon to people in Yugoslavia, suffering under a pro-NATO government installed in the October 2000 coup, which was financed and controlled by the US, Germany and Norway. (See, 'Did any major power NOT fund the Kostunica campaign?' at

So it was of great urgency for the Tribunal (and the NATO powers!) that Milosevic be convinced to stop defending himself and let someone else - like Ramsey Clark - take his place. Hence Landale's special treatment of Mr. Clark in July 2001. When Clark failed to convince Milosevic to appoint him as his lawyer, the Tribunal took the desperate step of appointing Clark anyway! Clark has never publicly disavowed this outrageous act. Rather, as we saw the other day, he has falsely posed as Milosevic's attorney.

-- JI and NV

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