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interview with Bill Dorich, one of the plaintiffs in
class action suit against Vatican.
Jared: This lawsuit initially involved Ukrainian plaintiffs but now it involves people killed by the Ustashe fascists in Yugoslavia as well?
Bill: Right. The Ustashe movement was marked by its clerical/fascist character. It was controlled by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. The Ustashe killed Ukrainians first but they killed people in Yugoslavia too, especially at the Croatian Ustashe death camp, Jasenovac.
Jared: A lot of people don't realize that the Catholic Church was involved in this stuff.
Bill: Up to its eyeballs. Priests were directly involved in the mass murders. We want people whose families were taken to Jasenovac and never returned; we want evidence of people being killed; we want any documents, photographs, testimonies. There's a lot of material out there that we know people have. The Serbs have never brought it forward. The Serbs always said, "Well God knows what happened so we don't have to parade this material around to show people evidence." Well yes you do, and that's been probably the biggest mistake the Serbs made in the last 55 years. We haven't made clear to people what really happened.
Jared: So you were saying the lawsuit started with the Ukraine -
Bill: Right. The depositions started and a Serb named Petar Makara started working with the attorneys, Easton and Levy, and gave them various names of people whose families were victims, mine included. And they asked me to be a plaintiff. The attorneys have filed an amended complaint and they have named three of us. The Jasenovac Foundation in Birmingham, Michigan is involved. It's an organization to bring public attention to what we call the hidden holocaust. It is not an unknown holocaust. It is quite well known by scholars around the world. It is just that nobody wanted to come forward and talk about the victimization of the Serbs in the Balkans. Barry Lituchy from the Foundation is looking for a Roma plaintiff to join the suit as well.
We need people to come forward who have evidence to offer. Particularly pictures, documents and first person testimonies. There still are some survivors out there and of course family members of people killed at Jasenovac. And don't forget the Ustashe killed people throughout Serbia and Bosnia, as well as Ukraine. Jasenovac was a trial balloon on how to effectively slaughter large numbers of people. It was controlled by this clerical fascist regime in Croatia, under the control of the Catholic Church.
Jasenovac was the first death camp, the test case. The Nazi's wanted to see how many people it was possible to kill in how much time, the organizational problems and so on. This was before Auschwitz and the others. They didn't have gas chambers at Jasenovac so what they did was bludgeon people to death or disembowel or dismember them. It didn't take any bullets. They needed bullets to fight the war. They had contests at Jasenovac every night. To see who could kill the most in one night. One particular priest won by killing 1500 Serbs in an evening. This is all documented.
Jared: Oh my God.
Bill: And since there were over 6 or 700,000 people who were killed there should be a bunch of people out there, like me. My relatives were all killed.
Jared: My relatives were all killed in Lithuania and in Poland, in Lodz.
Bill: They are all together, in common graves. The Jews, the Roma, the Serbs, the Ukrainians. All together. It is outrageous that the world does not know about this, and about the terrible role the Vatican played both in leading - leading - the fascist Ustashe and in hoarding this money, and later, in making sure the killers got away. The Vatican set up the actual escape routes for the Ustashe. These murderers, who were also Roman Catholic priests, fled to Argentina, Canada and the United States after the war with false passports prepared from inside the Vatican ''Ratline'' . This is all documented in the book, "Unholy Trinity" by Aarons and Loftus.
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