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Part 2: "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9-11?"
The Transcript
Jared Israel Interviewed by Mark Haim
WKOPN 89.5 FM (Missouri) Evening Edition * 2 April 2002

The transcript is in three parts. This is Part 2.
Part 1 can be read at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/radio-1a.htm

[Posted 20 November 2002]

To hear WKOPN interview on Reaplayer format go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/audio/sideatp1.htm
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** Jared Israel **

Air traffic control is a carefully organized, military-type operation or else the planes would hit each other. When a plane goes off course, it doesn't have to be hijacked. And if they can't make contact with the pilot and find out what's going on, they have a procedure which is they send a plane up. They don't have to have evidence of hostile intent to send a plane up. They just have to have -

** Mark Haim **

Do you know how often they do that?

** Jared Israel **

Not very often but they do do it. For instance, when Payne Stewart's Lear jet went out of control, they sent planes and chased it across the country and determined it was on autopilot and it was going to go to an unpopulated area. There was no evidence there of hostile intent.

There were articles in the New York Times of September 13th and September 15th which stated that the Pentagon knew that that plane was coming from Ohio. The Pentagon was in touch with the FAA immediately about it. Now, under those circumstances why wouldn't they scramble planes into the air from Andrews Air Force Base?

Just think about it. The President's plane flies into and departs from Andrews Air Force Base. You mean to tell me they have no fighter escorts there? If the President is in trouble they have to call from Langley Air Force Base to please come help? They have 10,000 people working there and they can't put a plane in the air? Please.

** Mark Haim **

Did Andrews Air Force Base put something on their Website?

** Jared Israel **

They did. You know, we don't' want to sound paranoid; we're just the messenger. The Andrews Air Force Website, prior to 911, stated that its job included the protection of Washington, D.C. After 9-11 that information was removed. Now unfortunately for them, there is an archive Website, which we have cited on Emperor's Clothes, which maintains images of Websites in previous periods. So we can prove that the information was there, and was removed. (4)

Before 9-11, the D.C. Air National Guard Website had a statement that they maintained planes in the highest possible state of combat readiness.(5)

Now if that doesn't mean they're ready to fly what does it mean? What's the highest possible state of combat readiness? That statement was on the DC Air National Guard Website before 9-11. (5)

On one of those Websites there's a note that says it was changed on September 12th. Literally. Why? Why would they remove the information that the job of these forces was to protect Washington, D.C. unless to hide the fact that they had failed at their job?

Now, how would it be possible for a failure like that to occur out of incompetence? We're not talking about ordinary incompetence. Two planes had hit buildings in New York. They knew those planes had been highjacked. They knew a hijacked plane was coming towards Washington, D.C. They didn't know it for just five minutes. They knew it for almost an hour.

** Mark Haim **

We've got another caller. Hi, Caller.

** Caller **

Hi. I want to thank you for this program. A question for the guest. Assuming all of this is true, which, these are pretty obvious facts, do you believe that this prior knowledge was an effort by Bush to legitimize the global war on terrorism and following that - what steps are being taken on a national level to make this information available and widely known to the American public?

** Mark Haim **

These are two big questions, Caller. Can we start with talking about what you think was the motive?

Jared, was this in your opinion something where our government knew something was coming and didn't take action? Or was it actually our government in connivance with the perpetrators? You know obviously the political advantage since September 11 has gone to the Right - it's gone to the Bush administration and their allies in the military industrial complex. If you look at who's benefited, this is clearly something that has not only benefited what was previously a tottering and what many people saw as an illegitimate administration - and they now have some of the highest political ratings any have ever had.

** Jared Israel **

You know, aside from the question of Right/Left, there's the whole question of the effect on ordinary people. Because another way of putting what you said would be that immense amounts of money and power have moved from ordinary people to very rich people. I mean, you know, if you listen to Bush's Town Hall meeting - I think it was the one in Florida - everybody gets up and says, "You are the greatest leader in history - what are we going to do about the layoffs?" In other words, they first bow to him and then they say, "We've all lost our jobs." And he says, "It's not the role of government to help you." It's the role of government only to make war, right? We have small government - makes war. So what you're saying has a lot of truth to it.

Here's my own feeling: obviously, foreknowledge and planning mean the same. Because it's not reasonable that powerful forces in our government would simply know that terrorists were going to do this and let it happen without them having an intimate connection with those terrorists. That is, how could they know, otherwise?

** Mark Haim ** What if there was intelligence gathering, with people under surveillance and they chose, because it was to their political advantage, to let them do what they were doing?

** Jared Israel **

It doesn't make sense. Consider Bush's behavior. Without saying that he knew days before, we know that he knew before he left his hotel that the first World Trade Center had been hit and we know, from Cheney, that the FAA had open lines to the Secret Service, which was with Bush. Why did the Secret Service let him go to that school? That school is 5 miles from an international airport. According to Time magazine -

** Mark Haim **

Was this in Tampa?

** Jared Israel **

No, the Booker school is in Sarasota and there's something called the Sarasota-Brandenton International Airport five miles from the Booker on Martin Luther King Boulevard there.

Time Magazine published, it was either in '93 or '94, an article saying that the biggest fear among presidential security forces was that a plane would be hijacked from an international airport and used to fly into a building where he was staying.

Now, if that was the biggest fear of the Secret Service, and if the Secret Service knew that there was a hijacking at 8:20, and that the hijacked plane later hit a building, which according to Cheney, they knew - how would it be conceivable for them to let him go to that school?

I mean it would be an act of treason to let him go to that school under those circumstances unless they knew for sure that he was safe. And only somebody in on the scam knows anything for sure.

So if he was merely aware from Intelligence reports that *something* was going to happen, that would not, in the mind of any reasonable, conservative-acting, Secret Service person be sufficient to allow him to go to that school. He had to know that that school could not possibly be a target.

** Mark Haim **

Of course later in the day he scurried from one -

** Jared Israel **

Isn't that something? After everything happened, suddenly his entourage in Sarasota went into the most extreme security mode. The same people, in the same town, closed down all of the airports - Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport was closed down.

** Mark Haim **

They closed down airports all over the country didn't they?

** Jared Israel **

But they closed down Sarasota-Brandenton before the others and they ordered that the education commissioner not be permitted to land. They blocked all the roads. The guys in security at the airport said they'd never seen anything like it - in fact they implied it was absurd.

This was all for show.

** Mark Haim **

Let's take this other caller. Hi, Caller, you're on Evening Edition.

** Caller **

Yeah, I'm listening to what this man's saying and I don't think the government knew what was going on after the first plane hit. I think they thought it was a stray and I just can't buy what he's saying. I think the man has an agenda. I think you have an agenda. And I'm not believing anything you-all say.

** Mark Haim **

Caller, one thing I want to make clear. I have not endorsed my guest's point of view. I'm just interviewing him. And I think it's an interesting hypothesis he has. I simply am exploring this question and invited a guest who's done quite a bit of research to answer your questions.

** Caller **

I think he's taken some pieces of a puzzle, put them to together and he ain't got the whole picture yet but he's trying' to make it work.

** Mark Haim **

Ok. Any specific question, Caller?

** Caller **

Why does he have a grudge against the United States government? Does it go back to the 60's?

** Mark Haim **

Jared, would you like to respond to that?

** Jared Israel **

Well, I mean, "And do you still beat your wife?"

Look, things happened that day that affected us all tremendously. The opinions that I'm putting forward are held by many people in the military. As I mentioned before, people in the Customs department, on two occasions, have expressed them to me and we've received a lot of email from military people who were very pleased we were bringing these points up. We have an Air Force that didn't respond. Whether I'm critical of the government about other things, which I am, and whether I care passionately about this country, which I do - because I have nothing to gain from raising unpopular points - these are secondary to the question of the facts I am bringing up. The facts are shocking and one doesn't want to believe them. And the easiest thing to do under that circumstance is to say. "You must have an agenda." Well, even if I did have an agenda - are the facts wrong?

** Mark Haim **

Jared, we've got another caller trying to -

** Jared Israel **

Can I just comment on one other thing he said?

** Mark Haim **

Sure.

*** CONTINUED... in "Radio Interview, Part III" at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/radio-1c.htm ***

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Further Reading:
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For a full list of Emperor's Clothes articles on 9-11, go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm

4) The changes in text of the Andrews Air Force Base-related Websites are documented (with links) and discussed in 'UPDATES TO GUILTY FOR 9-11,' at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm

5) The DCANG Website was changed, removing the pledge to maintain planes in the "highest possible state of readiness." You can still access that text, however. To find out how, see, "Powerful Evidence That Air Force Was Made To Stand Down On 9-11," at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/update630.htm

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