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"WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9-11?" - The Transcript
Jared Israel Interviewed by Mark Haim
WKOPN 89.5 FM (Missouri) Evening Edition * 2 April 2002

The transcript is in three parts. This is Part 1.

[Posted 20 November 2002]

To hear WKOPN interview on Reaplayer format go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/audio/sideatp1.htm
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[Editors Note: To make the transition from speech to written word more readable and useful I deleted repetition and side-comments, mercislessly cut callers' questions or summarized them and condensed or otherwise altered sentences for clarity. The resulting text is 40% shorter. I have also corrected minor errors (e.g., Jared said the FAA said they knew of the first hijacking at 8:25, but they actually reported that they knew at 8:20) and added words where the meaning, in print, would be ambiguous. I don't think I altered the meaning. - John Flaherty]

* MARK HAIM

It's a bit refreshing to hear that there are people asking questions about 9-11. And Jared Israel, over this hour we're going to be talking about those questions, taking calls from our listeners, hearing your answers.

* JARED ISRAEL

Great.

* MARK HAIM

Before we get started though, can you give us a little thumbnail sketch of who Jared Israel is, what you do, where you're from.

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, I'm from New York. I'm from the 60's generation. I'm an old guy. During the 60's - what did you do in the 60's?

* MARK HAIM

Don't say that, it makes me feel old.

* JARED ISRAEL

You are; you are. You're not getting better; you're getting older.

I was active in the civil rights movement and the student movement against the war in Vietnam. And then I did just regular life things. I got back into activity in l998, dealing with media coverage of, especially, Yugoslavia, and since then media coverage of 9-11. Analyzing media distortion is a special interest of mine. I did a lot of that during the war in Vietnam. So I have some experience.

* MARK HAIM

Sort of an investigator of journalists.

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, that's right. The thing that our Website, Emperor's Clothes, does is look at how the media misrepresents information. Frighteningly, we find it occurs in definite patterns, which are very hard to explain in a nice way. But that's what we do. We study the facts.

* MARK HAIM

Very quickly, after the tragic events of September 11th you-all devoted a rather extensive portion of your Website to a critique of the information we were given. Do you want to share just a broad outline of what your research has shown?

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, the first thing that shocked me and a lot of other people too because I've heard this from people in the military and the Customs Department - was that no planes went in the air over Washington, D.C. until after the Pentagon was hit.

* MARK HAIM

You're talking about planes that might intercept incoming -

* JARED ISRAEL

Yeah. Intercept doesn't necessarily mean an aggressive act. It means a plane goes up and interacts with another plane.

There's a huge Air Force Base 10 miles from the Pentagon, Andrews Air Force Base, that has two combat-ready fighter wings. The Air National Guard Fighter Wing describes itself as being maintained in the highest possible state of combat readiness. None of those planes went in the air. But then, a few minutes after the Pentagon was hit, they did go in the air, because we have news reports about that. Why would that happen?

* MARK HAIM

So essentially, four planes are hijacked and they're able to observe these planes on their radar, going off course and yet, no response. Is that it?

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, here's for example. At 9:06 the FAA, according to their account, closed the air corridor between Cleveland and Washington, DC. If they closed this air corridor, which is one of the most extreme actions the FAA has ever taken, why wouldn't they put planes in the air over Washington? [1]

* MARK HAIM

This is after the -

* JARED ISRAEL

After the first two hits. The second World Trade Center hit was at 9:03, approximately. So this was at 9:06, within three minutes.

The U.S. has a very sophisticated air force. On Emperor's Clothes we posted some of the documents which lay out what NORAD, the FAA - the Federal Aviation Administration - and the Joint Chiefs of Staff are supposed to do when there's a hijacking. [2]

The FAA says they knew or strongly suspected there was a hijacking by 8:20. [3]

We believe they knew sooner but let's take their word. Vice President Cheney said on 'Meet the Press' on September 16th, that the Secret Service went on emergency open lines with the FAA as soon as the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Which was at 8:45 Eastern Time, right? So, if the Secret Service was on open lines to the FAA at 8:45; if at 9:06 the corridor between Washington and Cleveland was closed, then how could it be that no planes were put in the air over Washington?

* MARK HAIM

What time was the Pentagon hit?

* JARED ISRAEL

The Pentagon was hit at approximately 9:45 Eastern Time, so we're talking about an hour and 40 minutes between the time they knew there was a hijacking and the time the Pentagon was hit. That hijacked plane was flying west from Boston. So they knew it could have been flying to Washington, right? Why didn't they put planes in the air?

* MARK HAIM

When you ask these questions, what answers are given?

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, no Official has answered us. Which is amazing, because the documentation that we've produced has gotten a tremendous readership.

The answers they have given in general to this question, because it has been raised by millions of people, is, "We just weren't ready. We didn't realize this kind of thing was coming."

That was the first answer they gave. And then they changed the answer on the 14th of September and said they had put planes in the air but it was too late. This is very important because they didn't say that during the first three days. They only discovered that they had put planes in the air three days, four days after the event. Now just think about that.

* MARK HAIM

These planes were put in the air from where?

* JARED ISRAEL

They claimed two planes were put in the air from Otis Air Force Base but weren't in time to catch Flight 11 before it hit the World Trade Center. And they claimed planes were sent out of Langley Air Force Base, which is around 126 miles south of Washington, DC, near Newport News. They claimed that again those planes were too late.

Now, that story is simply absurd. Consider. A plane hit the Pentagon, supposedly, because we're going by their story, at 9:45. That plane left Dulles Airport. It went west 300 miles to Ohio and turned around.

Supposedly the transponder was turned off. Turning off a transponder does not make a plane invisible. It merely means that certain aspects of the tracking become non-functional and some more recent radar can't then see the plane, but basic radar can. There are several radar stations that would have been able to see that plane in that area. Keep in mind that it was at 9:00 Eastern Time that this happened. This was around 30 minutes after they knew another plane had been hijacked and flown into a building. Planes have not been hijacked in the US for many years and this would be the second possible hijacking. A few minutes later they closed the air corridor from Cleveland to Washington, D.C., so they knew something was happening, right?

There are multiple radar stations that can scan that air corridor, including military stations. There are also military aircraft that have the capacity to go up and see 250 miles with basic radar. So they can see planes with the transponder turned off. I mean, after all, hostile military planes can't be expected to turn on their transponders when they invade your country.

How could it be possible for Flight 77 to go to Ohio and turn around under those circumstances and fly 50 minutes back to the Pentagon and nothing be done? How could no planes be put in the air over Washington, DC during the entire period that that plane was coming from Ohio back to Washington, DC, given all that they knew and given that they knew enough to close the air corridor? This is like you're standing there and a dog walks by and you notice it has the head of a cat.

* MARK HAIM

Good that people are asking these questions. Wouldn't people rejoinder that it's been many years since planes had been hijacked in the US so the authorities are just not used to it happening?

* JARED ISRAEL

Well, unless we're talking about people who got frozen by some special ray...I mean a plane had been hijacked at 8:20 and they don't deny that they have the capacity to intercept.

The defense that is made by the government, is basically stupidity and incompetence. That's what they say. "We were confused; we didn't know." This spectacle of Bush...

* MARK HAIM

Let's get to Bush in just a moment...We got a caller.

* JARED ISRAEL

Let's take the caller.

* MARK HAIM

Oh, he's not there.

* JARED ISRAEL

Was it something I said?

* MARK HAIM

No, I doubt it.

* JARED ISRAEL

I was getting off the point slightly and it would have been a long way back so let me just deal with the specific thing you asked. I said it's been a long time, about 10 years, since the previous hijacking. And you asked, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that the people in the government were unprepared?

And many people have raised this point. The media raised it a good deal. People in the government said it, Rumsfeld said it; they all made this point. And their behavior said it. I mean, the spectacle of Bush reading to children about goats after the second WTC crash, when the air corridor to Washington, DC from Cleveland had been shut down and when, Cheney said on Meet the Press, there were direct lines from the Secret Service to the FAA -

* MARK HAIM

The Secret Service was with Bush.

* JARED ISRAEL

And they were with Bush. And here he is sitting in a publicly known place reading to children - it's just mind-boggling. It's a nonsense point.

You know, ordinary people say, "I was shocked." And the spin-masters are trying to create the impression that the same goes for the people responsible for air safety and air defense, that they're just like us. But they are not. Air traffic control is a carefully organized, military-type operation or else the planes would hit each other. When a plane goes off course, it doesn't have to be hijacked. And if they can't make contact with the pilot and find out what's going on, they have a procedure which is they send a plane up. They don't have to have evidence of hostile intent to send a plane up. They just have to have -

* MARK HAIM

Do you know how often they do that?

*** CONTINUED... in "Radio Interview, Part II" at
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/radio-1b.htm ***

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Further Reading:
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For a full list of Emperor's Clothes articles on 9-11, go to
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm

1) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001, 'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System Failed; Air attack on Pentagon indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig Gordon. The direct link is
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#1

2) The article, "Cheney's Cover Story,' has a much material on the prescribed response to a hijacking. On the FAA, see http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm#a
On The Joint Chiefs, see 'Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction 3610.01A,' 1 June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) and Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects," 4.Policy (page 1)
PDF available at:

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
Backup is at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/3610_01a.pdf

3) 'Newsday,' September 23, 2001, 'AMERICA'S ORDEAL; Where System Failed; Air attack on Pentagon indicates weaknesses,' by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig Gordon. The direct link is http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd23.htm#2

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